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Faith, Psychology & Burnout Recovery in Leadership with Dr. Danilo Mihajlovic | EP 535

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What does it mean to build a scalable business that heals, not only others, but yourself in the process?

In this intimate conversation, I sit down with Dr. Danilo Mihajlovic, a psychotherapist, theologian, and founder of the Support Yourself platform. Danilo’s work is rooted in the sacred integration of Eastern Orthodox spirituality and trauma-informed psychotherapy and over the last few years, he’s guided over 1,000 clients through personal healing journeys rooted in love, truth, and deep emotional safety.

We explore the real cost of ignoring your inner voice while building a business. We talk burnout recovery for leaders, the healing power of spiritual community, embracing AI and technology with discernment, and what founders really need in seasons of transition. We also dive into family, fatherhood, emotional self-regulation, and Danilo’s move from 1:1 therapy to scalable group-based containers that honor both his purpose and his energy.

This is a powerful listen for entrepreneurs, therapists, coaches, and creators who are ready to scale with integrity, without bypassing the inner work.



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Danilo:

Come back to that inner feeling, or one intuition could be also spiritual intuition or just regular intuition, which call them to start this what they are working on. And the problem is when we uh forget that and when we focus, you know, when that's that's one of the wounds from childhood when we abandon ourselves and when we try to meet expectations of the others, of our clients, of our society, of our of market. And uh it's you know really subtle thing and uh mistake that we make, you know, that constantly uh forget to come back to ourselves.

Sheila:

Hi, welcome to the podcast. I'm Sheila Batello, and today I have the joy of welcoming a special guest to the show. Danilo Mehelievek is a psychotherapist and doctor of theology who brings together the wisdom of the Orthodox faith with the precision of contemporary psychotherapy. He's the founder of the Support Yourself platform, where he's guided more than a thousand people on their journey toward inner healing and discovering their God-given authenticity and purpose. In this conversation, we're exploring what it truly takes to build and scale meaningful work without losing yourself in the process, the patterns that can lead to burnout, the practices that restore energy, and how embracing technology can actually deepen human connection when it's done with intention. Danilo, I am so grateful you're here. Welcome to the show.

Danilo:

Thank you, Shayla. And I'm so happy to be with you because it's beautiful to be in this moment and to share this energy that you uh have all the time.

Sheila:

Oh, thank you. Uh, one thing I didn't mention in my introduction is that we worked together previously. Danilo was a client of mine, and it's been really, really beautiful seeing you move your business forward, your practice into really a global business where you're now branching out from your roots in Eastern Europe to the greater English-speaking market. And so let's start at the beginning. You bring together Orthodox faith and psychotherapy in such a powerful way. In fact, I'd never heard of anyone doing that. And before we get into your business, what originally called you into this work of integrating spiritual depth with modern psychology?

Danilo:

Well, I think that you know, uh, all of us who are in psychotherapy and psychology and coaching, that's always, you know, personal story. It cannot be a different way. And um, this also is a personal story because I had really traumatic origin family, and uh the biggest strength in my family was the faith. Somehow, intuitively, uh, my parents realized that uh they will have a lot of trouble, you know, to figure out how to deal uh with each other. And uh the best part of their personal life was the uh Orthodox faith. And before they uh decide to be become parents, they went to the church and prayed, you know, uh to the God. Uh they had spiritual father. We have that um in our Orthodox church, you know, you have spiritual father, somebody who is um as well as the the the word is saying father, you know, who is helping you to give a birth to your spirit. And they prayed, you know, that God who that to God to child which they will receive to be, you know, from God to God. So that's somehow uh that's actually it's really good when you know that you came in this world, you know, from this story, uh, even though it was really highly traumatic in in childhood. So uh my first um uh beginning was spiritual. I felt you know that prayer and uh going to the church, but not an informal way, you know, in deep internal feeling, you know, when something or better to say someone touch your soul, and then you cannot deny that anymore. And that that's not just one moment, you know, that's so many small pieces of the day, you know, during your life. And that's how I start uh going and living in the church, and then I went to uh uh high school for priests, and uh then I went to the theological faculty, and during that my uh graduate studies, I realized I was really interested in you know that correlation between spirituality and uh our uh mind as well as our body. And I realized in this moment that I'm not uh not feel called to be the priest, even though I highly respect that uh you know, men of cloth, but I realized I really enjoy in praying and in working with the people, actually helping them to set themselves free. So that's how how everything started.

Sheila:

Oh, I love this story. So you've also trained with and met teachers, a few of whom I hold in such high regard in both my parenting and my coaching work, Dr. Gordon Neufeld and Dr. Gabamate. What have been some of the most impactful learnings that you've gained from them? And I'm sure there's many. So, like maybe just the first few that come off the top of your head. And how have those shaped the way you support your clients and also how you lead yourself as a founder?

Danilo:

Yeah, that's great questions. Well, uh, first, when I finished this regular education for psychotherapy, it was systemic family psychotherapies or systemic therapy. I realized that talk therapy is not enough. You know, it's mainstream and it's classic and it's beautiful, but there was something missing, you know. And then I, working with my clients and with myself, I realized the story of emotions and the inner part, you know, in the body that's missing. That's that's some something that I feel I need to educate myself more. And then I um um come to the book of uh When Body Says No from Gabor Mate. And I realized, okay, this guy is so tenting, and he is exactly what I felt that I need. And then I went to his one-year training for trauma um education to work with the traumas, and that was the moment when everything changed in my um understanding of myself, of my uh origin, of my uh work with the people, because Gabor, you know, is a great person, and he helped me. Actually, the best thing that he gave me was to set me free. Somehow, you know, he helped me to um not to try to copy him or anybody, but just to be myself. Uh, and it's it's not just you know some advices, it's more like that the the relationship that he creates with you during that work, and that's something that helped me, you know, to find inner parts. And then I realized that uh uh Gordon Newfeld, uh he was his therapist, uh, you know, of the government then helped him with his challenges with his children and himself. And then I went, you know, to uh Newfeld Institute and started learning from him, and I realized, oh my god, how you know it's possible that this guy is not so famous in the whole world. He's so great, great, and he figured out so many things and he's so modest. So the best part from Gordon Newfeld that I learned that emotions are here with the reasons, and even though we are not logically understand them, we need to listen to them. You know, there is a big, you know, low which is irrational about the emotions, but that doesn't mean that there is no sense. So with Gordon Newfeld, I learned how to um listen emotions and how to um even more adjust my uh therapeutic work and also my my uh my private work, uh you know, my therapies. Uh they helped me a lot. And then I need to mention also um also one of the biggest the biggest names uh in psychotherapy today and neuroscience is Alan Shore, right brain psychotherapy. Then you know it's like the puzzle, you know, when you come to one checkpoint, you realized okay, I need something more here, and then you come to the another, and then you find out that the picture that you were feeling in yourself, it's all all all already there. You just need to find some missing part. So that was uh the situation with uh with me.

Sheila:

Oh, I love that. It's so interesting. You're so right. It is like you go as far as you can go, and then you realize, oh, now I see another open gap in my knowledge or experience. And I love that you just follow the trail, but like right at the end, there was always someone waiting there to guide you the rest of the way.

Danilo:

Yes, yes, that's that's the point. And uh I realized with Gabor, uh, where where is the fear? When I feel some fear to go somewhere, that's the place where I need to go.

Sheila:

Yes, I've learned that one from Gabor too. Maybe not my favorite one in practice, but once you get through it, once you take that step, it's great.

Danilo:

Yeah, great. That's great. That's it's painful, really painful, but great. Because then you you know open up new levels in you, and then you realize, oh my God, it it's so worth worthwhile of this. Yeah.

Sheila:

Yes. And so now you've supported over a thousand people through your platform. And what would you say has been the most unexpected challenge that you've faced in growing from like the one-on-one therapy space into leading a larger online movement?

Danilo:

Yeah, there is uh one book that I uh recently read. It's uh called uh 10 times, it's bigger than two times, uh, from um Daniel. I forgot the last name, but he's famous. But the point was that when I was working with one-on-one, I realized this is great, and clients, you know, having great progress, but I felt something is missing out, you know. And then uh after Gabor, after Basil Wanderkolk, and other educations, I realized well, community is missing. We are not born to be, you know, just alone, and every uh uh uh wound that we have uh it's originated from the relationship in the our families and our groups, and you know, so we are um uh social beings. And then I um start doing what I have done, what I felt before. I want to work in the groups, I want to work, you know, to create safe community, safe small community, and to work with them because everybody of them has the part which is healing other, you know, members of the group, and vice versa. And it was really uh not easy for me because that means that I need to uh leave everything that I developed, you know, maybe just five percent of my clients accepted to start working in the group. So even though I developed, you know, well-established practice and I had so many clients on the waiting list, and it was like, no, no, no, no. I I I feel it's the moment to jump. And it was uh not easy, uh, but uh beautiful. It's now it's so good that you know, again our waiting list for the groups, and uh and it's it's magic, magical what is happening, you know, in those groups. But the I need to mention that um the important factor for the group is that everybody shared this uh shares same values, you know, and in my context, it's spiritual values. They are Christians, most of them are orthodox, but also Catholics and Protestant, evangelical, and so on. But the point is, you know, the uh when you share the same values and you have then the same energy uh which you can you know use during that process to moderate the inner energy, and then it's like I call that um atomic atomic bomb in a positive way, you know, you have that chain reaction of good and of the healing process in the group, and you can see how that could be multiplied and motivated for others. So, well, yeah, you know, it's that's something uh what I realized it's highly important.

Sheila:

Well, and I love that it it is the the connection of so many different people, different parts of one particular spiritual faith system. And it's it sounds like every time I hear you talking about your experience and and how things are going with your with your clients, it's it sounds like it's the best of the best in terms of the the way people are living out their faith. Because we know life is tricky, and people coming into therapy are coming from a variety of backgrounds and really challenging experiences. And the fact that they're met with like a beautiful ecosystem to heal is wonderful because often, like people, so many people, I'm sure you've heard this many times, like any kind of religious construct can feel very divisive, but it sounds like it's the opposite. You're bringing people together and the healing, it's kind of like Christianity in its ultimate form, like what is really boots to the ground how it's meant to be. That's how it feels like to me.

Danilo:

Thank you. That's the point. Because, you know, in in church life, you see that there is one, it's most of the time there is a theory, what we are called to be, and who we are called to be, and you know, practice how that's far away from that. And for me, it was I felt in my heart and in my church, you know, the beauty of reality when you know we live like this, how that could be strong, and you know, all the uh the truth of the faith in the Bible and whatever, you know, as especially Apostle Paul when he's talking about that of the community and Lord Jesus Christ, when he's talking in his last uh supper. Um English is not my the the first song, so how you call that preach. The the moment when he's the sermon, yeah, sermon. Yeah, when when he's talking that about all to be one, you know, and in that one, everybody are different, so you know that's beautiful. So I I felt that's the moment, and um I start working, just you know, okay. My idea was I will just be me, and I will just start sharing on the Instagram uh without intention to bring anybody, that was just you know, beginning, and then people start coming to me with the sentences, oh my god, you just you know, uh you're it's like you are in my head and in my soul, and you're talking my words. And I was like, Well, I'm just trying to be in my, but it seems that we have something together. And you know, then people start coming, and even though it was not easy for majority of them to accept to be the part of the group, and they gave really good offers to work one-on-one, and I told them, No, it's not about the offer, it's about the uh I know what I can uh give you if you trust me. And then when they stopped stepped in, you know, and they didn't want to go away after a program, so they then uh uh all of them uh you know asked me to create other program and other program just to have some continued you know growth and work. And that's how I felt this is it, this is it, yeah.

Sheila:

And in doing so, and I mean obviously moving to this more of a group focus, that's been a key element to you being able to protect your own energy as well, because we know in the helping, you know, roles, whether it's therapists, doctors, you know, people who are working with people in any regard, um, it's so easy to burn out. And so, you know, you really addressed earlier how you started to recognize patterns, right? And the pra practical shift, it sounds like you made was moving to this group format. And so, like, I'd love for you to share just a soundbite on what you just came back from and see you did this last year too, and how it's shifted for you to really shore up your energy to serve as your best.

Danilo:

Yes, well, for me was the the key moment uh when I was in the government uh training, um, then I decided to try to find out some of the therapists uh from his list because I realized the body is you know really important in the work, especially uh, and also, you know, uh Stephen Porges, political theory. So all of them I realized, you know, we are uh diminishing and we are minimalizing the importance of the body in the process. So I realized I need some therapist from you know who is also educated in that. And that's how I find out my uh new therapist, beautiful person, and I just want to tell you how I came to her uh on the uh webpage of uh Compassionate Inquiry, that's the uh Gabromate uh webpage. Um I just went to watch the faces of the people of the therapist, and I told I will just pick up that for which I find out in my heart that that is it. And I found Joanne, one beautiful person, therapist, so really experienced therapist, and I, you know, start working with her, and later on we realized she's also a really deeply um spiritual uh person, and uh we have similar life stories, and uh I could touch you know so many things in me, and that's how I start having you know my safe place. Uh, she helped me, you know, to create that on therapy with her and also on supervision with her, but also my therapy, not to burn out, you know, to come back every time to everything that is in me, you know, that I need to to stay focused to you know keep safe uh little Danilo, little boy in me, which is you know, learned to um be parent to all the world, but now you know it's there is first thing that I learned in that process. You know, when they asked Lord Jesus Christ, you know, what is the two biggest commandments? And when he said second one, uh love your neighbors like you love yourself. And for me, it was like, well, I I have heard that so many times, and I'm PhD in theology, I'm teaching in university students about you know biblical exegesis and so on. And but what is going on if I do not know to love myself? How I will love my neighbors and others, and what means to love myself, but not in an egoistic way. I I think that it's also the big problem today in psychotherapy and psychology that we not realizing what that means. And then uh in that process with with Jayan and you know, with working with my spiritual father, also from which is a beautiful person, I came to that that you know you first really need to love yourself in one healthy way, and that means to meet your painful moments and to meet uh dark places in your soul, you know, which is not so beautiful, uh, but also to accept that, you know, to accept and to transform them through the prayer and through the energy of of um of God, and and just after that you can start to really or during that process, you can start to really uh love uh other persons as they are in the moment, and that's just transforming for them, you know, because then they really feel the feel loved and accepted, no matter what is going on in your process, is there you know, going in some regression in them or whatever, because then you're just you know you see the God in them as well, the picture of the God in them, and you are just you know staying focused on that and helping them to come back to themselves. So but in that process, as you mentioned, you know, sometimes you can really go, you know, in in um to go to burnout or or something like that. And it's important just constantly to come back to you know keep your inner inner uh peace uh on the daily basis. And for me, prayer is something that is helping me. There is uh one beautiful tradition in our Easter Church about one short meditation and prayer, it's called Jesus Prayer, and just one sentence, which is when you are repeating that sentence and concentrating on the words, you start focusing your attention on the upper part of your chests. We call that your heart, not anatomically heart, but you know, the center of your being. And in that prayer, uh you can so deeply, you know, come to the peace and to connect with the energy of the God and to stay rooted, whatever is going around you, and that helping the people, you know, that they start become rooted in themselves, and then we are connected not from the effects, but from uh from the authentic self.

Sheila:

And it it is so important because everyone we are faced with on a daily basis, whether the people we live with, the people we work with, just people we're that are out and about, it can be challenging to really look at everyone through that loving lens. There's, you know, it's really challenging, but it's true when we actually have self-love, when we can, when we can have like a the you know, creator spirit coming through us and like allowing us to learn how to love ourselves and love among all the parts of ourselves, it does help us to love others more easily. It's not all is super simple, that's for sure. But it's I think if that's our if that's our intention, though, to even if frankly, what has helped me so much over the years is just to visualize the other person as like a little baby, right? We were all these innocent little children at one point, and then life came along and who knows, things happened. And so we respond. We are often like we're products of our environment. And so what how beautiful is it when we actually show love to others, how they can sometimes warm, right? It's like the beauty of just smiling to a stranger, often unexpected, but it's often you'll get met with a smile, right? That's so beautiful. Um, and so now with this work, it's it's allowed you to spend more time the way you've structured things now with your family. You're you have two children and a lovely wife who's also a doctor, and you're very, very busy. So you've made it a priority to have protected time with your family. What does that look like these days?

Danilo:

Oh, that's beautiful because um my wife, she's an anesthesiologist and she's um also PhD, and she was working on emergency center. And uh in one moment she also came to that that she wants, you know, to transform her business life because we want to be more family, yeah. And also I uh with this change of mind, not one-on-one, but working with the groups, I also restructured also my time and my work at the university, and we put you know uh the biggest emphasis of on our um family time. Um, and we have two beautiful boys, um, eight and six years old, and uh we concentrate on that how to have more time for uh ourselves. And this, for example, this year, uh, we organized to stay uh two months in the Greece on the you know um uh seaside on the one beautiful island, and uh to work just you know, some things which are must be done, but you know, all the time to be together and to reproduce everything what it's not so urgent to be you know uh uh done on the work, and you see then difference, you know, totally difference. You are in the nature, not in the city, or um if even though if you are something writing, you are inspired, you know, you just swim in the sea, and your mind is you know deep in you, and there is you know your soul connected with the nature, and there is also one beautiful monastery where uh we were going, you know, to the mess, we call that liturgy or mess. And um, it was so deep because uh my wife and myself we share you know all the values and everything, and also our thoughts, our feelings, and what is going on in us, and uh, you can see then how children are connecting to that energy totally different than when it's hectic, you know, and everyday life. So that was beautiful. And we're trying to have that small islands during the day when we are come back, you know, and school is starting and so on. Um, it's really important to remind yourself every day what is uh priority for you, you know. And uh, even though if you know so many people are wanting you to work with them, that's not where is my uh word is, you know. So it's uh important to remind uh yourself what do you want in this life, you know, and time is going really fast. So we decided we want to spend with our children and to and that's so sometimes uh you probably know it's harder to be a good parent, good enough parent. Let's say uh there is no perfect parents, but good enough parent than to be the best therapist in the world, you know.

Sheila:

It's I imagine so. Yeah, it's it's like we learn things we never knew we'd have to learn. Parenting is a very, very interesting school to join. Yes.

Danilo:

So we uh so I realized it's you know not just about uh getting another education or you know, the certificate, this something which is even deeper because you know it uh moves you to your, you know, it wokes up your child in yourself. Uh and that's a great moment to meet that and to change the pattern.

Sheila:

Oh, yeah. And it's so evident that your work that you're embodying in your own personal life and your family is very much a mirror to what you're doing with your clients. And it's not about the quick fixes, but it really is just about creating those safe spaces for everyone to pause and listen inwardly. And you see the rewards that you're reaping. I mean, goodness, like with your clients, but also with your kids, which is wonderful to hear about. And, you know, as a result of you being able to move to more group, um, more scalable type of work, you've also, this has been really cool for me to witness how you've been embracing tech as a way to also preserve your energy and extend your reach. And so, how has that stretched you? I mean, going from like your the work that you have studied for years for and now, okay, hello, tech. And I just want to say, I'm really celebrating the supportive team you have working with you on this.

Danilo:

How's that? Thank you. That's that's that's a great story about that as well. And I will be short. When I start working in the groups and the people who went to my groups, they start, you know, being friends and they're hanging out after you know the program and during the program. And I realized this is going to be big, and I don't want to have you know regular marketing agencies, don't want to have you know regular agencies for anything. I will just employ those who went to my program and who um let's say clicked and or or picked up that spirit and they are you know um attuned with with this. And then I um uh hire them. And now they are you know uh growing up the this tech part and others because they are really talented for that and their expertise, you know, in the marketing or in the design and so on. And uh we have beautiful energy, you know, it's not like work, it's just like when it's something stressed and so on, I just remind them, okay, what we will learn in our program. So, you know, we checked in slowly, it will be fine, just let's rooted come back to ourselves, to our authentic self, and you know, when it's slip over, we will come to uh to to solution. And they're joking that they want to print out uh the t-shirts with I love my job, you know, and and support yourself. And I said, Well, yeah, because we you know are not trying to compete with you know this crazy, crazy uh uh um market and and the expectations that you know everybody have, because I realized why we need to be, you know, the copy of the others just because everybody is going in one direction. Um there is one sentence in my country, and it says, um, if there is two the same person, one is uh uh how you say that in English, uh, when there is um I then there is too much. Yeah, there is too much. If there is two two same person, one is too much. So the point is, you know, we are different, and that difference is beautiful, you know, and let's just stay who we are, and people will come. So they helped me a lot about this, and you know, they uh give me um so many free time for my family because how you are growing, of course, you know, you have more resources that you can invest, and when you can invest in the people who are great in what they do, and also who had share your values and the energy, then it's really like one big family, you know, which is growing up. And I just need to say that it's uh personal, but I think it's important. You picked up that um when you mentioned when I was a child, you know, my biggest wish was to uh create a family which will be happy and it's in which every member will enjoy and grow. And we, my wife and me, we created that and we really enjoyed our family, but even more. I created the family of the, you know, the people who are coming to those groups and they become, you know, a spiritual family, really uh spiritual family. So yeah, I I think that's when uh when you're working on your wounds, your wound can become a great source of beautiful energy, uh healing for others.

Sheila:

Absolutely. I completely agree. It's it's really wonderful when you actually see the effects over time and the changes happening in the people's lives, like who they come to you one way and they leave and they're impacting other people's lives. It's really a ripple effect that you're part of creating. And and I think about the people coming to you. Um, I'm sure you have like all types of individuals from different backgrounds, different employment, all of that kind of stuff, business owners. If you were to sit in front of an entrepreneur who's running their business during this time in the world where we are we have so much coming at us, so many new things, you know, the economy shifting all the things. What would you say to them in terms of like a compassionate word for how they can approach this time while being able to embrace the technology, but not losing themselves in the process?

Danilo:

Yeah, that's really good and hard question. Well, I will I would call them to uh come back to their root in the meaning, uh, to come back to that inner feeling or one intuition could be also spiritual intuition or just regular intuition, which call them to start this, what they are working. So, because for sure, you know, they felt some meaning and some call in whatever they are doing. And the problem is when we uh forget that and when we focus, you know, when um that's that's one of the wounds from childhood when we abandon ourselves and when we try to meet expectations of the others, of our clients, of our society, of our of market. And uh it's you know, really subtle thing and uh mistake that we make, you know, that constantly uh forget to come back to ourselves. And the point is, as much as you are going toward others, that's beautiful, but don't leave yourself in that process. You cannot go. There is the beautiful sentence of my therapist, don't go with your without your legs. So don't go without your legs means you know don't uh don't go in your head just to meet everybody if you're not if you are staying here and in your head just trying to to to meet everybody, it's not going to be good because you know you are deepening uh the wound, uh leaving yourself and abandoning some of the parts of yourself, and then for sure you cannot achieve that. So the point would be just come back to the roots. You know, it's not so hard. Just remind you, remind yourself uh what I felt uh when I uh started with this, why I started with why I struggled so much to achieve this, and where where is that part in me? And just on this sentence, uh I would call them uh as Gabor called it, just shortly check in yourself which part of your body is resonating with this. And that must not be something big, it could be just some strange energy in the chest, or some you know, um energy in your stomach, belly, on your on your arms, or maybe some pressure in your eyes, as uh tears, whatever. Just stay with that for a while, and just you know, uh be curious about that, not to think about that, just notice and look what will happen with time staying with this sensation in my body because the wisdom of the body is something which is underestimated, and uh as beau beautifully um said that Bezil Wonder Kolk, um body keeps the score, you know, the great book. And just come back to your body, body will tell you help you to remind, you know, that inner uh call, and also maybe you will feel the tiredness, maybe you will feel you know some um pain, maybe you will feel some peace. Whatever is there, just stay with that, be a while with that, and you will see how spontaneously it will roll up.

Sheila:

So everyone just got an example of often what would happen on our coaching calls together. Um, I would get so much value from you. Um, just being able to, like we're diving into things, and I'm always every single conversation, I learn something new from you. The work you do is so beautiful. And I love how you say in your bio, every person is free, unrepeatable, and worthy of love. And that's how you make us feel, I think probably everyone who meets you, because there's that you have that connection and it you can tell it's just coming from within yourself, from your experience and from the way that you've been positively impacted by your faith and your work personally. So thank you for doing what you do. And I look forward to seeing it spread far and wide across the English-speaking market.

Danilo:

Yeah, thank you for your energy and you helped me a lot when we were working together because uh, you know, it's not even even though if you're a therapist, uh psychotherapist, it's not easy, you know, every time to uh to deal with the amount of the job or to, you know, to because it's totally different uh industry, you know, entrepreneurship and and everything there, you know, how to um to realize what is important, what is not. So you helped me a lot uh in this in that part uh in our sessions uh to uh to simplify things, you know. For example, just with my uh this called today newsletter, but I have a letter of support, that's how I call that. Just you know, when you help me with some, it sounds like simple advice, but that helped me so much, and people are love that so much. And then I realized, oh my god, Shayla is really right. It just needs to be simple, you know. It's must not be some big, you know. It's it's sometimes, you know, we are in our head having so many, you know, I don't know, knowledge or ideas, and we we want to share, you know, everything, but it's not something that is needed. So thank you. You really helped me to um to change my relationship towards uh my um organization of the business, let's say like that.

Sheila:

Oh, I'm happy to hear it. And yes, it's going from academia, and you know, you're teaching at seminar, you're you know, PhD. It's like, okay, let's just keep it a short, simple email. But really, it is like kind of like these snippets that people will be able to return to in this conversation we've had. Like one snippet is like a beautiful way to add value to your to your clients in an email or in any any form like social media or something. So it's really cool to see you doing that. And I would love for people to follow you. And so please tell them where they can find you to stay on the journey with you.

Danilo:

Yeah, thank you. Uh well, uh, I'm starting on LinkedIn recently. I started my page because the majority actually, until now, everything was in my local uh mother language. It's Serbian language, and on Instagram I have a lot of followers, but it's in Serbian language. Uh, so on LinkedIn for now in LinkedIn, and I'm now preparing, start preparing my own uh web page, which we also will be including uh which which will include English, and uh in some moment I hope it will be uh open up for the groups in English language. People are also asking me for to start that, but then I need to, you know, create all videos that I created, and that's interesting story, maybe some uh some other time how they spontaneously came to the the life. Uh but for now on the LinkedIn. For now on the LinkedIn.

Sheila:

Wonderful. Well, I will have this linked in the show notes for people to grab that, or if this is on YouTube, you'll see it in the description below. Danilo, it has been a pleasure and an honor having you here today. Thank you for sharing your story and sharing the wisdom that I think all of us and all the founders and entrepreneurs and people who are building this thing that is this vision in their mind and taking it from their mind out into the global marketplace, that they can have some sense of peace as they move through that process.

Danilo:

Uh, I'm happy that you see some contribution that I made to you. So the the point is that just I just try to share my energy. And I think that's enough. That's enough. If we're just sharing our energy, it's healing by itself, you know, because there is beautiful energy in every person, just it's needed to find a way to come to that.

Sheila:

Absolutely. And I'm so thankful for everyone listening. Please go on over to the show notes and follow Danilo. And we'd love to hear, you can also find and follow my links in there too. Let us know what were a couple of the bullet points you heard today that really landed with you that maybe you hadn't thought of before. And we'd love to hear how it's going for you as you continue on your journey. Thank you so much for listening, and we will see you on another episode.